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February 17, 2008

Yuku: KickApps Must Be So Proud

Well what a surprise!

Our closed ezboard was forcibly migrated to Yuku this weekend. And of course, weekends are when there's no technical support on Yuku or ezboard. Now given that I'm such an outspoken critic of ezboard/Yuku, you'd have thought they'd have been careful that the migration went smoothly, wouldn't you?

Well maybe if you were anyone other than Yuku with their technical ability and commercial awareness anyway.

The first thing you notice when you visit the board is that right there is a link to allow people to make payment to Yuku. That is despite our having closed the community chest when it was on ezboard, so it's clear that the settings weren't migrated like-for-like as they claim they should be. Either than or they're ensuring that every effort is made to make money off the newly imported boards despite the clear requirements of the board owners.

No problem: I'm an admin. of the board (and listed as such), so I'll log in and turn the contributions setting to off again.

Ah. No, I can't - as soon as I've logged in and return to the board, all I get is a completely blank page - no HTML or any code is loaded at all. Brilliant!

Wait! Maybe it's just me they continue to have their petty feud with. So I speak to the board owner. He logs in, migrates his profile and ... completely blank page!

Ah wait a minute: he upset them a bit once too. Never mind, one of the other admins can do it. So he migrates his account and logs in and ... completely blank page!

Way to go Yuku.

Oh and one other thing: I noticed that Yuku have renamed my account (and promptly banned it) like some kindergarten child would do if they were having a tantrum. I thought that KickApps were focussing on customer service? Apparently not: it seems like the Yuku staff are still the same bunch of also-ran hackers with the same petty agenda as they always were.

KickApps must be so proud of their new acquisition...

February 13, 2008

Yuku Sold: Confirmation at Last

Well then! Over two months after I revealed the news here, it's finally been announced that KickApps has bought Yuku/ezboard: it's their dirty little secret no longer!

The annoucement mentions this:

"As part of the merger, a new leadership team is in place with a renewed focus on innovation and customer service. Rob Labatt, ezboard's former CEO, has left to pursue other opportunities."

Well they couldn't have set the bar much lower in terms of customer service, could they? And funny how they mention the departure of Robert Labatt in the same section about improving customer service. I wonder if the two are by any chance related?

Still no mention of the sale on KickApps' own website but that San Francisco office address sounds awfully familiar...

December 11, 2007

ezboard/yuku Sold and Labatt Gone

Well, that's what appears to be the case, if the LinkedIn profile page of someone claiming to be Robert Labatt is to be believed. You will need to sign in or join LinkedIn to view this:

Current

  • Entrepreneurial self starter at Looking for my next great adventure


Past

  • President, CEO, Director at ezboard, Inc.

  • Consultant, Entrepreneur at Self

  • Research Director, Consumer Internet, Web Services



This part of his summary amused me:
"Most recently Mr. Labatt was CEO of ezboard, Inc. a profitable and growing network of consumer generated and white label enthusiast communities. During his over three year tenure at ezboard Mr. Labatt delivered the companies [sic] first profits, conceived and released the successful successor to the companies [sic] core community product and negotiated and sold the company to a strategic buyer."

Strange how he doesn't mention the loss of customer data whilst under his tenure. Nor the extended (and continuing) beta status of the software.

So who is the mystery buyer? Well if you recall back in September, I mentioned the rumour of a sale to Kickapps. Whether they are the buyer of course is another thing as their web site is silent on it.

Funnily enough, there's no mention of any of this on ezboard, Inc.'s web site or on yuku. I wonder if that's to calm the jitters about the move to the (still beta, still buggy, still un-priced, still ad. revenue selfish) yuku?

Of course, all of this could be wildly inaccurate so I wouldn't necessarily rely on any of it.

December 7, 2007

Those Forced ezboard Migrations...

For a while now, the staff over in the yuku help forums [sic] have been claiming that there are no forced migrations of ezboards over to yuku and that they have to be requested by board owners.

If you recall, I mentioned this back in September.

Now you should bear in mind that:


  1. ezboard, Inc. has yet to reveal pricing for ad. removal from yuku boards; and

  2. yuku is still in beta, which is the excuse they always trot out when somebody complains that something isn't working on yuku

  3. ezboard, Inc.'s Help Wiki still says "Do I have to switch to this next version of software? No, not unless you want to." and "Do I have to move my board to yuku.com domain? No, you do not have move to yuku.com."


Of course, being ezboard, it appears that the truth and the statements at item 3 above are mutually exclusive...

Or what about this?

"Will my ezboard forum be switched over without my consent?
No, boards will need to be switched by the admin. At this stage, they will not be switched over by our system if you do not initiate the switch."

So nothing to worry about then.

Oh dear. "ezdollar", presumably someone working for ezboard/yuku, writes:

"My understanding is that they are now migrating some small batches of boards without the owner's request, but, a few days before migration, those boards should display an Important Announcement at the top of the board, stating that it will soon migrate.

"If the developers had been able to write an upgrade for the ezboard program, it would have been sent out to all servers and no ezOp would have had any choice whatsoever about whether to use the new version or not or when to make the switch to the new version. The upgrade would have happened virtually (if not literally) overnight. This is really no different than a major ezboard upgrade, except that, in effect, ezOps have been able to choose to go to the new version early, and the upgrade is being done gradually instead of overnight.

"Migrating your account to Yuku has nothing to do with board migration.

"Having Gold or not having Gold has nothing to do with migration.

"As I keep saying... if you have issues with Yuku, you have to take them up with Yuku staff by posting at Yuku Support or opening a Yuku Help ticket. We may feel your pain, here, but we simply can't help you with most Yuku related issues here."


So that confirms that they are indeed moving boards without the owners' say-so. And it makes no difference if they're Gold - with no ads. - or non-Gold. I bet gold communities won't be very happy when they start showing ads. ... which is due to happen soon, no doubt, as they have recently confirmed they are finally working on yuku versions of gold communities and ezsupporter which should be ready for testing "within a month or two at the latest"...

So there you have it: forced migrations despite what they tell you elsewhere. Forced migrations from release code (if buggy) to beta code (very buggy and incomplete). What a way to treat your long-suffering customers!

Oh and still no word on whether they plan to actually share revenues with board owners as ezboard, Inc. CEO, Robert Labatt, promised. And where is Mr. Labatt? Incredibly silent, even for him...

November 15, 2007

Ya Snooze Ya Lose

Two years plus is a long time in Internet Time. When Yuku was launched as being "available now" in September 2005, its unique selling point appeared to be the way ezboard, Inc. were promising to share advertising revenues with message board owners.

In the presentation, ezboard, Inc. CEO "Silent Rob" Labatt is seen showing off the message board functions and user profiles that had been in development since early 2005.

Unfortunately for them, they've since wasted all of 2005, 2006 and now most of 2007.

The idea to combine message boards, user profiles, blogs and media hosting in one place was a good one even if not entirely original - most things on Yuku from ezboard, Inc. are ideas that someone else has had previously - as for instance WordPress can be extended with plug-ins and third party software to incorporate discussion forums, photo albums, etc. with the added benefit of an option to self-host the whole shebang and include advertising to generate a revenue stream as I do here.

In June 2005, Yuku was being touted by Labatt as the next generation of ezboard (although the name 'Yuku' had not been unveiled at that stage). Inexpicably, they concentrated not on ezboard migrations or getting the message boards ready for users. No, instead ezboard concentrated on the user profiles no doubt spurred on by the growth of MySpace and indeed Facebook. But by doing so, they dropped the ball and simply became Yet Another MySpace Wannabe even down to the evident similarities in their Terms of Use. Of course, extended beta tests are nothing new, c.f. Google's applications and services, but then they are not usually quite this long for such products.

So under the direction of Robert Labatt (and presumably with the backing of the venture capitalists led by his wife's firm), the development of Yuku has gone on and on and it's still in beta.

In the meantime, however, everyone else has moved on. vBulletin is a very accomplished message board application and one I use myself for three different discussion boards and it's far better in my opinion than Yuku is. And of course there's now vBulletin Blog to go with the board software. I've already mentioned WordPress and its plug-ins capability.

And now another major player has revealed online communities, blogs and social media in one place.

"Every member of your community can create a personalized profile page. Standard Profile pages include the following content:

"Personal profile information, such as a photo, interests, or location information
A list of comments submitted by that user and comment responses
A list of recommended posts, forums, and comments by that user
Forums, community blogs and a number of templates and skins."


All sound familiar?

Well this is Movable Type Community Solution from Six Apart, the company behind Movable Type and LiveJournal. But for once they've copied Yuku and not revealed pricing (you have to get a custom quote)!

So as time drags on and "Silent Rob" Labatt continues being elusive, maybe going for glider flights in Hawaii or going karting with the (small number of) staff, Yuku falls further and further behind the competition whilst not charging its users for the bandwidth and (reducing...) image storage.

August 31, 2007

Forced ezboard Account Migration and Advertising

I wonder if, with the second anniversary of the 'launch' of Yuku rapidly approaching, ezboard, Inc. are finally getting somewhere close to taking it out of beta?

As I mentioned earlier, an old ezboard account of mine has been migrated to a Yuku one without my agreement and without my acceptance of any revised terms of use, etc. Interesting.

Of course, the benefit of doing this to Yuku is that they can claim a larger number of users when trying to sell advertising - whether or not those users are actual, live and regular user accounts or simply dormant ones - and also serve ads. on the users' profile pages.

Talking of which, I noticed that instead of the regular Google Ads block on a Yuku user profile, there was an ad being displayed for Justin Timblake's "Futuresex Loveshow", whatever that may be. Nice for all those users complaining about Yuku's classification as a dating site by corporate website content blocking providers.

I also noticed that Yuku are once more using OASIS - "Open source Ad Serving and Inventory System" - rather than just the Google Ads they were serving.

Maybe this is a precursor to their finally beginning to share advertising revenues with board owners, as Robert Labatt, ezboard, Inc. CEO promised at the Yuku launch. I won't hold my breath...

Another Unannounced Change at Yuku

Back in April 2007, a Yuku user asked "so do we really have 1TB of image space?" adding that it sounded "ridiculously high, and quite misleading" which was my conclusion too.

However, a Yuku representative replied, saying:

"I thought that there was not actually a limit... so I guess you could say 1TB.

"I have no idea on the actual answer."


Excellent stuff...

Another Yuku representative then relayed what she had been told:

"You are limited in amount of pictures you can save in a album, but you are allowed to make an unlimited amount of albums. So it really is nearly unlimited.

"I believe we have the right to limit that at some point."


It fell to another Yuku user to provide the definitive answer to the question - she pasted in part of an e-mail she had received when her board was moved from ezboard to Yuku:
"In addition, we have added some new features:
1. Search - fast and accurate search that works
2. Free Image Hosting - 1TB of storage to host jpegs, gifts, bmps, pngs
3. Posts Don't Fall Off the 20th Page - unlimited storage of posts
4. Advanced Private Messaging - 4GB of storage for you, friends list, ignore list, mark as unread
5. Profiles With More Customization Options - (e.g. embed videos/music, choose from a list of ready-made designer skins, HTML blocks that you can edit any way you want, etc)."

[emphasis added]

There are further examples of the 1TB storage limit being mentioned in this message board post.

Now then, 1TB is 1,048,576 MB. So when someone apparently ran out of image storage, they raised a query on Yuku and were told that:

"Ok, it should be fixed now. :)

"Log out and then log back in for it to take effect. You should then have 30MB of space for images."


[emphasis added]

Only 30MB? Of course as the Yuku Help Wiki has been down for a while now, I cannot check there what limit there really is on image storage size.

Fortunately, Yuku came to the rescue recently: an ezboard I once posted on has been migrated to Yuku and so that old ezboard account was migrated over as well - without my agreement, I hasten to add - and an e-mail (with the usual Yuku grammar errors) sent to me, telling me about Yuku:

"In addition, we have added some new features:
• Search: fast and accurate search that works
• Free Image Hosting: 30MB of storage to host jpegs, gifts, bmps, pngs
• Posts Don't Fall Off the 20th Page: unlimited storage of posts
• Advanced Private Messaging: 4GB of storage for you, friends list, ignore list, mark as unread
• Profiles With More Customization Options: (e.g. embed videos/music, choose from a list of ready-made designer skins, HTML blocks that you can edit any way you want, etc)."

[emphasis added]

Compare that to the details sent out in April 2007. Yes, ezboard, Inc. has reduced the storage allowance by a factor of nearly 35,000!

Funny how they kept quiet about that...

August 3, 2007

Re-arranging Deckchairs on the Titanic

aka The ezboard Shuffle

It starts! Regular ezboard users will be aware of the ol' ezboard shuffle: people complain about the slow speed of their ezboard and it gets shifted to a different server until that server slows right down and then boards are moved again, etc. ad infinitum.

So I suppose that the news that they've started doing this on Yuku already - and remember, kids, it's still not finally released yet - should come as no surprise really. After all, they've been reeeeeaaaally slow over there for ages now, blaming users and indeed search engines for the treacle-like performance.

Hey ezboard! Here's a thought: how about getting some servers and more connectivity instead? Oh yes, that would mean spending money...

Ideal Customer Profile

You know, it is really sad sometimes.

I was trawling through the wreckage that is Yuku's Support [sic] forum this morning and came across a worried ezboard Gold Community owner asking about migrating to Yuku. What caught my eye was this:

"We just paid our Gold Community for the next year (it was about $1,200 for the year). We're really active and growing daily, and we hope to grow further."

And the customer's self-summation also caught my eye:
"I'm not a computer person, and don't understand much of the lingo that's kicked around these owner/administrator discussion areas."

And that is the perfect customer for ezboard, Inc.

Why?

Well I tracked down their ezboard Community, PaleoPlanet, and had a quick look at their community chest. They had indeed recently paid a whopping $1,121 for a year's Gold Community and indeed the board owner had topped it up by $121 just before renewal and there's presently $412 sitting there that they would never get back if they chose to leave ezboard even if it is unspent funds.

Their daily posts statistics are similar to our self-hosted vBulletin board. The difference, though, is that our board doesn't have mimits on how many pages of threads there are. Oh there's also the slight difference in hosting costs: ours is around 10% of theirs and of course there's no comparison between the features our members enjoy and those theirs endure.

So if any of their members reads this, do yourselves a favour and go to DreamHost instead and sign up for what is basically an unlimited hosting plan (in real terms) with none of that 20 page maximum nonsense at ezboard.

And if you use the promotional code EZSAVE50 you can even get $50 off your first year's hosting. Go on! Give it a try!

More on that Smooth Yuku Code Push

Remember how "Silent" Rob Labatt finally broke cover to thank his remaining staff for a "fantastically smooth release" when they 'pushed' yet another Yuku update?

Well, amongst other things:


Well if that's a "fantasically smooth release", I'd hate to see a bad one. Still, this is Yuku/ezboard, I suppose...

Yuku Breaking Yuku Rules

From the "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" department comes news that ezboard, Inc. staff are impersonating their customers by sending out messages apparently from community administrators:

"From: {board Admin}
To: {user}

{boardname} has moved to Yuku!

Please check it out here!

This was a community message from {board Admin} on {boardname}.

{board Admin's signature}"


Now I can understand it if the Board Admins. themselves want to send out a global announcement to their members, but this was not one of those messages. As the aggrieved board admin. writes:
"I don't like being impersonated, even if the reason is benign"

Of course, a quick look at the Yuku ToU shows that impersonating another Yuku user (or indeed another person) is forbidden.

So ezboard, Inc. are impersonating a Yuku user by sending out these faked messages and as we've already seen, they also pretended to be celebrities by setting up Yuku profiles in a pathetic attempt to attract traffic to their display ads.

What a nice bunch of people.

Deleted! ezboard hides criticism… again!

You have to laugh! True to form, ezboard has deleted the topic a disenchanted customer started as I reported here.

Yes, try clicking the second link to "Worst Service Ever":

"The post you selected no longer exists. It may have been recently deleted."

You bet they want potential advertisers and investors to think the customer base is a happy one...

July 9, 2007

"Yuku": the Definition of the Word "Slow"...

Good grief! I happened to be visiting a couple of Yuku Blorums and wished I hadn't. Even given ezboard's history of making Yuku as slow as possible, they've now surpassed themselves.

It's taking me longer than usual to write this post as every page on Yuku is taking an eternity to load.

After a week of apparently ignoring their Yuku users as usual (although reports of slowness had been around since mid-June), the "Yuku Team" finally acknowledged what everyone else was saying and made an announcement that yes, Yuku was slow and no, they hadn't fixed it. The usual ezApologists were talking them up in the Support [sic] Blorum.

On 15th June, Yuku did say that:

"We currently have some network congestion causing slowness in our systems, we are working with our ISPs and network operators to fix it

Thanks for the report and patience"


They also said that:
"We've been able to determine this happens generally on monday mornings, we are currently investigating what's causing the slowness. We appreciate your patience"

So users were reporting slowness generally, but Yuku staff were only noticing it on Monday mornings, presumably as they don't work weekends...

They also claimed it was those pesky search engines slowing things down:

"We have alot of crawlers on our site right now. We are trying to add a machine now."

But isn't one of the "benefits" of Yuku the "google friendly URLs and search engine optimized code"?

Why on earth are people still flogging a dead horse with Yuku? It can only be because it's presently free but people are noticing board members leaving, etc. Maybe ezboard's decision to have Yuku boards unlimited by size is a decision they're beginning to regret (that is, unless it was a decision forced upon them by the feature set not supporting post culls? That's just speculation as I don't know if they can do this with Yuku as it stands).

Oh and still no news on the apparent disappearance of our money from ezboard...

June 5, 2007

Two Years On...

Well I missed the second anniversary of The Great ezboard Disaster of 2005: the day when - depending on who or what you choose believe - a hacker managed to delete the current ezboard posts and at the same time access and delete the backups or someone running some script at ezboard on the boards cocked up royally. Despite claiming to have got the FBI involved and despite offering a $5,000 reward, no news as to any investigations or apprehension of the alleged hacker has ever been released. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

So anyway, like I said, I missed the second anniversary which probably goes to prove that I am not obsessed with ezboard, Inc., contrary to what their representatives and ezApologists would have you believe.

Now, what have they accomplished in those two years?

You may recall that their CEO, Robert Labatt, chose his updates on the data loss to announce they were working on a brand new version of ezboard which they later chose to christen Yuku, presumably as the ezboard brand may have become tarnished irreparably.

Yuku was then launched as "available today" at DEMOfall 2005 in September of that year. The USP that was the focus of their "Better Than Free" strapline was that ezboard, Inc. were promising to share advertising revenues with board owners and that an “average large board” could make $3-$5,000 per month from being on Yuku. They were seeking to differentiate Yuku from the other products in the marketplace: sharing advertising revenues with board owners, backing up the boards on a regular basis and actively promoting those boards.

Of course, back in September 2005, Yuku was at alpha release stage: not even beta. Development of the ezboard platform had stopped in early 2005 and their focus was firmly on Yuku.

Labatt started posting regularly in his "CEO Blogs" on ezboard - using WordPress, obviously... - and then on Yuku. When it became apparent that all the target dates for the transition from ezboard to Yuku were as likely to be met as it was that weapons of mass destruction were present in Iraq, rather than actually making promises that ezboard, Inc. could meet, Labatt blamed "nastygrams" - presumably like this blog - for being mean and come 1 November 2006 simply stopped posting completely!

The date for Yuku being "ready for prime time" of late 2006 came and went with a whimper and now here we are with Yuku trying hard to beat Google's offerings in terms of the longest ever beta.

So where are we now?


  • There has been absolutely no mention of sharing advertising revenues with board owners.

  • There has been absolutely no mention of when board owners can backup their own boards themselves if they don't trust ezboard, Inc. to do it properly (and who could blame them?).

  • Yuku boards are currently free to operate and unlimited in size and display no adverts. Almost the exact opposite of ezboard, so why the faithful stay at ezboard and choose to pay for the privilege [sic] escapes me.

  • It's just as well they do, though, because the only revenue from Yuku comes from the Google Adwords displayed in the user profiles.

  • Big boards like the JJB Board that has been migrated over to Yuku are currently using up server space and no doubt bandwidth like there's no tomorrow (an inadvertent quip, but maybe apposite): their General Discussion forum alone runs to 1872 pages (and counting) of threads.

  • ezboard have stated that users and boards have unlimited storage space for images.


Combine those last two, and all those cheap servers that Labatt photographed and added to his blog (before it got removed as a source of constant embarrassment to them) will soon be full and creaking under the stress. Don't believe me? Well take a look at this:

"Some servers down. We're experiencing technical difficulties.


The technicals are being difficult. We're working on it! Everything will be up and running again shortly."

And this:

"Very Slow


The entire system is very slow to download for me today. It is not happening elsewhere- just Yuku."

Presumably this is so that former ezboard users will feel right at home...

Talking of which, one of the features they used to promote heavily was the 'global community' of ezboard. Personally, I never used to visit other ezboards unless by chance: I posted on our board and our board alone. I did, on the other hand, suffer from the global nature of usernames being used up: the one I wanted had been registered before I joined ezboard and despite it never being used for quite a few years, it was never available for re-registration. Now ezboard told people that all ezboard usernames would be reserved on Yuku so that JoeBloggs@ezboard wouldn't lose his username to some other JoeBloggs@Yuku. Which is all very well except that that simply means that in the absence of an abandoned username purge, the usernames available on Yuku are that much fewer.

ezboards used to have what they called "local accounts" so that you could join just one board and be JoeBloggs@ASingleBoard. Now that they've started the board imports, they've had to create another class of user and those usernames were getting unmanageable, breaking carefully laid out board styles, etc. So the Yuku team came up with a whole host of new indicators for different sorts of Yuku accounts. This has not gone down well and doesn't actually seem to be working properly either (no change there then)...

That aside, things must have improved generally with the better Yuku? Well no: their Customer Support [sic] is as bad as ever. We remember that despite being an Internet Services company, ezboard, Inc. seemed to only observe regular office hours, Monday to Friday. Well now it's worse than that: they don't seem to work Fridays either!

"Hey carrie we will try and jump on these quicker -- but you posted on friday :\"

So there we have it: Yuku still in beta, it's head honcho apparently now logging in - or being logged in by a colleague, present or former - but still remaining silent on what he once claimed was his third love. No sign of any hints about pricing, admin.-managed backups, costs, etc.

I'm truly amazed that they haven't gone out of business or at the very least sacked the man ultimately responsible for their being where they are presently, Robert Labatt.

Backups Against the Wall

We all know about ezboard's notoriously poor backup regime that led to them losing a year's worth of posts on a number of their boards when they claimed a hacker (who, despite the FBI being brought in - allegedly - doesn't appear to have been identified) had managed to somehow lose all current posts and then hop networks to delete the backups that Gold Communities like ours were paying for. Not what you'd call a backup in any meaningful sense of the word...

And of course, around the time ezboard lost all those messages - around 70,000 on our ezboard, I'd guess - Robert Labatt, ezboard Inc.'s then CEO sought to put a positive spin on things by telling us about "the new community engine", by which we can only assume he was referring to Yuku (although at that time they hadn't decided on the name of their new product presumably to disassociate themselves from the ezboard name).

So I was intrigued by this post on the now-archived Devloper Forum at Yuku (http://developer.yuku.com/topic/100968/t/Backups.html)

"We were paying so to have backups.
In 2005, thanks to hackers, we lost a few hundreds of valuable posts. Now this is the past.
What can we expect with Yuku ? What is the situation now ? Will we be able to make our own backups ? Where do we stand ?
We just can't afford to live the same situation as in 2005"

Now those are the sorts of questions that got me banned from ezboard when they refused to answer them. The "make our own backups" part echoes what Robert Labatt was saying about board Admins. being able to make their own, offline backups - something which has been quietly ignored since.

A tad worrying, given their history...

So I'm sure the user who posted the question was suitably calmed by the response from a Yuku devloper:

"Lesson learned. We have better strategies now we take nightly backups as well."

Wow! Let's hope they don't have them within the range of any alleged hackers, eh?

May 7, 2007

Incoming!

{stands back to avoid the rush}

http://support.yuku.com/topic/1748/t/Ezboard-to-Yuku-board-migrations.html

So, according to "Michelle":

"The migration process is running very smoothly now ... and we're now able to move boards from ezboard to yuku in a very smooth process. The big backlog of boards is gone (having chipped away at them for the past few months) and now the queue is up to date."

So does that mean that there are now 500,000 ezboards at Yuku like they claimed as far back as September 2005?

Well ... no! Go to the Yuku domain search and marvel at the 6,200 or so apparent Yuku boards.

Ah ... wait a minute: aren't there a load of test forums, abandoned forums (you can't delete a Yuku board) and test ezboard to Yuku imports? Take a look at the third largest board by membership - "OARfans.com" - and then notice the two listed below (as of today's date). Yes, they're test and re-imported version of the same one. Now go to page 623 of the Yuku listings and what's that? Yes it's another OAR re-import. I haven't bothered checking for any others.

Maybe the explanation comes from Michelle herself:

"Of course, there are the occasional hiccups"

Ah yes. This is ezboard, after all.

Still, no doubt there'll now be a mass move over to Yuku. Unless people are still waiting patiently for its beta status to be changed to final. Or maybe they're waiting to hear about sharing advertising revenue as promised by Robert Labatt. Or maybe they're waiting to find out about backing up their message boards to their home PCs (as promised by...). Or maybe they're waiting to find out how much it's going to cost them to have no adverts.

Oh and talking of "Silent Rob", there's still no sign of their CEO on Yuku since 9 April. Has he gone? Yuku staffers seem to be side-stepping that question recently in this thread.

April 5, 2007

Counting Crows

You know how ezboard, Inc. makes a habit of crowing on and on about their claimed userbase? As they did when they claimed to have 14 million registered users on Yuku when it was at alpha stage in 2005 and user accounts were by invitation only. I made a post back in September on that subject.

Post counts on ezboard and Yuku are also important to the users and to ezboard, Inc. As far as some users are concerned, this gives them some sort of status on the network. As far as board Admins. are concerned, the number of posts on their boards is pivotal to attracting new members - no-one wants to join a board which is moribund - and for big boards, there are listings to be had elsewhere which could bring in revenue for them (if they were, say, sharing advertising revenues or able to run their own advertising campaigns or Google Ads on their own accounts).

Post counts on ezboard affect the cost of renewing ezboard Gold Community status too: we sometimes used to notice a hike in our page views (and hence our renewal costs) shortly before our renewals were due. It might have been nothing at all, but there were other reports of similar experiences.

So a bug in the board stats. over on Yuku has been a cause for concern. This may be fixed now, but I couldn't help but be drawn to this comment by a Yuku developer:

"I will be running a script today to fix more post counts. I also added a way to inflate post counts if need be. If your still having any count issues after today let me know." [emphasis added]

I can see that coming in very handy if, say, one wanted to impress potential advertisers...

April 4, 2007

April Shower

Well in the absence of any updates to "Silent Rob" Labatt's now-abandoned CEO Blogs on Yuku and - using WordPress - on ezboard, it seems that stealth announcements are the order of the day over on ezboard and Yuku still.

"Silent Rob" Labatt


So despite the continued silence from ezboard's CEO, Robert Labatt, for the last five months, he is - apparently - very busy according to this post on a user's Yuku board:
"I can't tell you 'where' he is right now, but he's certainly not dropped out of yuku! He's very busy and often out of the office."

Heck! He must be busy: too busy to post on his "third love", Yuku. Busy doing what, exactly? Ah yes, "thought leadership", probably... And out of the office a lot, no doubt pleading with new investors and trying to find advertisers!

Advertisements on Yuku


Now, if you recall, at the moment the only ads. being displayed on Yuku are in the user profiles. Indeed, they proudly proclaim that:
"Today yuku has these advantages:

* search the whole board, a single forum or within one topic
* addition of tags in topics and profiles
* cross domain searches using tags and keywords
* google friendly URLs and search engine optimized code (for example: search for the lobby or search for Alisons profile )
* add kudos (ratings) to boards and profiles
* no ads on boards"


Hmm.

Great use of the word 'today' there. How so? Well have a read of this reply from Yuku staffer alison:

"The plan is to have ALL features available for free with ads."

Ah! So there will be ads. on free Yuku boards then. And I bet that when they get their act together with both the coding and the advertisers themselves - all those unsubstantiated "14 million users" claims - the ads. they serve with be far more intrusive than the Google Ads ones they're currently displaying.

So having enticed users and board owners over to Yuku with the promise of free message boards with no adverts, it's going to come as a bit of a shock when - after all the hassle of having their ezboards and users migrated over to Yuku - they suddenly see adverts all over their Yuku boards, especially when no pricing for the ad. removal has been released by ezboard, Inc.

More sharp business practices? You decide...

ezboard Version 7.33


Oh dear. If you read my earlier post on this subject, you'll have read in awe about its "more stable code base that will result in more uptime and less downtime as well as faster reboots whenever a server is restarted". Except this is ezboard, remember, so it should come as no surprise to learn that:

"If I remember correctly, version 733 went out to a single server, as a test, but had to be rolled back for further tweaking because the changes in it caused something else to break. I believe it's still being worked on for future release."

More ezboard Data Loss?


My goodness but they're becoming proficient with losing data! After the great ezboard disaster of May and June 2005, it seems they're still losing data and still have appalling customer service [sic].

The sorry take is linked to from here:
http://p097.ezboard.com/fvortexjeopardyfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2.topic

And unsurprisingly given the loss of messages and the lack of support, they're closing their (paid-for) Gold board and have moved already to a self-hosted phpBB solution. I really can't blame them: it's the smart move.

More "Quality" Support [sic]


This is another great support thread:
http://p080.ezboard.com/fezboardfrm87.showMessage?topicID=8869.topic

During this awful thread - where it's clear that ezboard wants this user to just go away; how dare they complain?! - it emerges that all those millions of venture capital have resulted in a system that can't cope with the normal search engine spiders visiting the boards:

"As far as we know, the Bad Gateway error is caused by the Google robot crawling the server. It is not unusual to see it several times, then not see it again until the crawler returns. How long it crawls the server depends on how many searchable boards are on that server and how large they are. When it returns is strictly up to Google. ezboard has no control over the Googlebot's schedule."

So when the search engine 'bots are spidering your or anyone else's ezboard on a server, you will be unable to access it!

Bug Base Spammage


Yes, that wonderfully secure system over at ezboard keeps getting spammed. Look at any of the Bug Base Forums in the morning (GMT) and you'll see the latest spams from unregistered spammers. Pity there's no-one competent at ezboard who can restrict their posting...

March 30, 2007

Yuku Development "On Track" - O RLY?

Which track is that?

Well, despite the continued absence of "Silent Rob" Labatt, ezboard, Inc. CEO - or is he? - there are some strange goings-on over on Yuku and indeed ezboard.

We'll take ezboard first. If you take a look at the ezboard Wikipedia entry you'll see that the current version, version 7.32, was released two years ago and is widely acknowledged - by ezboard Customer Services [sic] droids as well - to be full of bugs. With Yuku launching in 2005, 2006, 2007, this week, next week, sometime, etc. it had previosuly been reported that ezboard would continue to run but would not be updated or bug-fixed. So how does that explain this? That link in turn links to one of the ezboard staff's Test Board and a post which says:

"Why a new version?
The primary reason for making the new 7.33 version was to compile the 150+ patches that we have made over the past two years into a new version of the software. This will result in more uptime and quicker restarts upon reboots becuse the application will no longer have to load all the patches upon a reboot.

We also made a few tweaks to the templates to make the user experince a little easier and enjoyable.

What's in version 7.33:
- More stable code base that will result in more uptime and less downtime as well as faster reboots whenever a server is restarted.
- Quick Reply Feature
- Rebuilt Invite Friends Feature
- Share This Thread Feature
- Yuku Icon Feature
- Last Comment Author now links to the users's profile
- Personal Photos (aka avatars) are now 100 X100 in size"


So there you go: a major wrap-up of over 150 bug fixes. But why bother updating ezboard when it's going to be closed? Who knows...

So alison on nehalf of Yuku/ezboard quickly chimes in to explain away the new version before coming up with the Quote of the Year so far:

"Yuku's development continues on track."

Oh really? Wasn't Yuku "available now" in September 2005. Or "ready for primetime" at various times during 2006?

Oh and we appear to have a new mission statement for ezboard, Inc.:

"No-one is forced to stick to a former statement just because they said it."

Clearly not, if it's ezboard, Inc. saying it. You know? Things like regular backups, advertising revenue sharing, etc.

February 27, 2007

Where's Waldo? Sorry, Labatt?

So after nearly four months of silence from "Silent" Rob Labatt, ezboard, Inc.'s CEO (or at least he was ezboard, Inc.'s CEO - I can't verify he's still there), there have been one or two changes.

The first changes were to his profile page with the disappearance of his Friends List. The significance of this is that in a MySpace-copying move, Labatt and others were added to all new Yuku accounts as a friend in the same was as Tom from MySpace. So the fact that Labatt's friends list apparently topped out at under 50,000 was significant when they were claiming 14 or was it 15 million members...

The next change was that his profile page also hid his latest posts as the fact he hadn't posted anywhere on his "third love" was a tad embarrassing.

But most significant of all is that his Yuku Blog - "What's Happening on Yuku" - has all but disappeared! Certainly all the content has gone.

And likewise his CEO Blog on ezboard is now simply redirects.

Maybe all those "ready for primetime" announcements and missed targets had become too much for his masters and he was becoming an embarrassment to them? Who knows? The mystery deepens.

In the meantime, ezboard appears to be hiding its lamentable history ... yet again.

February 8, 2007

"What's Happening on Yuku?"

The answer, of course, is "who knows?"

But there are a few more weird and wonderful things going on, according to one post by an ezboard/Yuku representative. In response to a post where a user mentions that "Silent" Rob Labatt is conspicuous by his absence, she writes:

"As for Rob's updates, well, what can I say? The lobby announcements forum is the place to get the latest news, and from time to time the developers forum might feature some snippets (although if they are relevant I'll repost them). No-one working on the system really has time to attend to a quality and continuing blog, and that includes Rob. It might have been a nice idea, but it didn't work out. I've been trying to get someone to update the FAQ page - its been out of date since the word blorums went out of use, and the links to report a bug are also out of date. But I don't think Rob's blog is linked from there any more."

The query from the user said, amongst other things, that "the lack of ongoing communication (i.e. where we are headed) makes the system and the company appear to be somewhat... directionless", which echoes what I've been writing here for a long while, i.e. that ezboard, Inc. and Yuku appear to be lacking in clear leadership and proactive management and indeed lacking in any direction whatsoever, chopping and changing tack regularly and missing by miles any targets and deadlines they do deign to publish.

Labatt's CEO Blog on ezboard is similarly silent since October 2006.

So let's look more at what the ezboard representative wrote. Now, "The Lobby" isn't actively linked from the main site-wide footers and is touted by Yuku as "a great place to find out about Yuku features and meet people". Not to find out what's happening on Yuku, which just happens to be the title of Labatt's Yuku forum. And if you visit the Lobby, you'll see that it's mostly filled with inane drivel from a small band of users, Yuku Groupies, if you like!

The Developer Blog is linked from all the footers, but is generally pretty quiet with no real announcements at all.

But it's this that got me:

"No-one working on the system really has time to attend to a quality and continuing blog, and that includes Rob."

What exactly does he do? 'Blue-sky thinking'? "Thought leadership"? And wasn't Yuku his "third love"? No, he appears to have no time to make a quick post either on ezboard or Yuku to let people know what's actually happening and when Yuku will be out of beta. Or anything else, for that matter.

So no updates on advertising revenue sharing, backups, pricing for Yuku, timescales, etc.

Oh and talking of backups, ezboard still seem to have 'issues' with them...

February 2, 2007

Yuku was my third love...

...and it will be my last.

Yuku is the future and ezboard the past.

With apologies to John Miles.

According to ezboard, Inc. CEO "Silent" Robert Labatt's Yuku profile page (the famously-named "Rob U" one):

"...my third love is Yuku"

And yet the last post he made - whether a new post in his "What's Happening on Yuku" board or as a comment to another post elsewhere - is now over three months old.

Maybe he's fed up with Yuku not working. Or not being "ready for primetime" by the end of 2006 as he stated it would be.

Either way, he appears to have fallen out of love with Yuku...

January 30, 2007

Trust Us, We're Yuku

I was looking at a query someone had submitted where they signed up to Yuku and claimed that their username was their full name.

They are clearly stupid because:

  1. Once you fill in your details, the system prompts you for a username, suggesting Firstname Lastname; and
  2. why would anyone want to sign up to Yuku in the first place?

Anyway, once you get past that, you are presented with a truly bizarre page which says:

“Sign Up Find friends already using Yuku!

Welcome to Yuku, {Username}!

Who’s here already? Some of your friends may already be members of Yuku. Find out who!
Use your address book if you’d like to check:

Yuku will NEVER store your login information for other websites.”

The page then has icons for Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo! Mail!, AOL and “Manual”.

Click on the GMail one, for instance, and it says:

“Find friends already using Yuku!

Check your Gmail contacts to see if friends and family are already signed up with Yuku! Just type your email address and password below and we’ll do all the work.

Please Note: Yuku will never save your password information. We will also never sell any email addresses we retrieve from your contact lists. Please review our privacy policy.”

So what they’re asking is for you to trust them with your GMail log-in details - which would also provide access to Google Adsense, Google Adwords, Google Video and many other Google services.

The privacy policy link is silent on this.

But surely you can rely on ezboard’s security? Well, they do admit that:

“Your information is stored on Yuku’s servers located in the United States. We use procedural and technical safeguards to protect your personal information against loss or theft as well as unauthorized access and disclosure to protect your privacy.

That being said, “perfect security” does not exist on the Internet. Unfortunately, no data transmission over the Internet can be guaranteed to be absolutely secure. As a result, while we strive to protect your personal information, Yuku cannot ensure or warrant the security of any information you transmit to us or from our online products or services, and you do so at your own risk. Once we receive your transmission, we make our best effort to ensure the security of your information on our systems.

Please note that we cannot guarantee the security of member account information. Unauthorized entry or use, hardware or software failure, and other factors may compromise the security of member information at any time. Therefore, although we use industry standard practices to protect your privacy, we do not promise, and you should not expect, that your personal information or private communications will always remain private.”

Well we all know about ezboard’s backups and how good they are.

So they’re now asking us to trust them if we sign up with them?

I don’t think so!

Oh and as an aside, my shiny new Yuku account told me I had a new personal message (or at least it would have if I knew what the little glowing arrow meant).

It starts:

“Welcome to Yuku! You’ve joined the ranks of over 15 million people united by communities with free image sharing and profiles.”

Wow! So there are over 15 million people on Yuku? Really?

Mind you, I can trust them not to lie to me, can’t I? I just did with all my Google details, after all.

And of course they obviously aren’t bundling in the ezboard claimed numbers because ezboards don’t have free image sharing, do they?

And wow! I already have 105 Kudos! And Brad Pitt is my friend too apparently!

And not once was I required to confirm my e-mail address to enable my profile. Not that anyone would ever abuse that by setting up spurious Yuku accounts, would they?

January 23, 2007

More MySpace Envy

You know, I’m becoming increasingly amazed at just how little original thought there is at Yuku/ezboard, Inc. and how much MySpace envy they have.

First, there was the are-they-by-any-chance-related Terms of Use changes on ezboard and Yuku to almost replicate word for word the MySpace ones.

Then there were the MySpace-clone user profile pages.

And now they’ve moved the blog element of what Yuku was supposed to be about to the user profiles … just like on MySpace.

Oh and the next time you’re over at MySpace, try commenting on a MySpace user’s blog entries. Oh look! They have “Kudos” too. I wonder where they got the idea for Yuku kudos from?

January 9, 2007

Curiouser By The Day

Mind you, that's probably normal in Yuku-Cuckoo Land...

It looks as though - with no sign of the Yuku release on the horizon and the two-months-and-counting silence from Rob Labatt, their "problem solving kinda guy" boss - some of the ezstaff are getting their messages mixed again. Apparently, some people are confused about official and non-official Yuku forums, so Alison helpfully tells us - in an obscure, non-official Yuku forum, which ones are which:

"The lobby is the hub of yuku. The lobby is made up currently of several forums.
There is the announcements forum which is the main place to get the latest information about yuku.
There is general chat, which is not a help forum - but that does not mean you cannot discuss yuku in it.
There is the help and FAQs forum which is designed to guide people to the wiki FAQ, and also help us track when the FAQ doesn't answer the questions posed. I think people will still seek more hands on help from places like gethelp.

The developers forum is designed to keep track of bugs

The skins forum is designed to help people customise their domains and skins. (Ben, you seem to think that skins did not deal with css when first started, but that is not the case. Our skins are created using CSS. How could we have a forum about skins and totally ignore CSS?) The skins forum, however, is run on a user helps user basis, just like the cool tips & tricks forums on ezboard were.

The promote forum has been only recently opened, but its to deal with all aspects of promotion, including the public community showcase as per ezboard, which is why the beta showcase will be moved over there."

Thanks for that, Alison.

But wait a minute: if the Lobby is the hub of Yuku, why isn't it included in the links at the bottom of every page on Yuku? After all, a truly bizzare "Entertainment" one is on many Yuku forums, but not "the hub" of Yuku. And wasn't 'Silent' Rob Labatt's "Yuku Blog" the place to find out "what's happening on Yuku"?

Oh and neither of those places have covered what I would have thought would be a very important announcement. Remember at DEMOfall 2005, Labatt told everyone that Yuku was "better than free"? Well they may have dropped that advertising puff as they don't appear to want to share advertising revenues with board owners any longer, but what they have announced by the back door as usual is that:

"Is Yuku Free?

Yes. Yuku is a completely free online service."

So if Yuku from ezboard is "completely free", why are its staff still suggesting people pay large amounts to keep their ezboard Gold communities?

And how do ezboard, Inc. intend to pay for all that bandwidth and salaries? The Google Adsense advertising in everyone's profiles? Who knows?

Maybe all their new celebrity members are going to pay for it. "Their what?" I hear you ask. Yes all those celebrities flocking to endorse Yuku. Like Brad Pitt who apparently works for them as a coder and gets added as a "friend" to every new Yuku sign-up.

I mentioned earlier a link on people's Yuku boards called "Entertainment". This links to this Yuku forum which also appears on the Yuku homepage and must therefore be an official Yuku forum (that Alison somehow forgot to mention...). That appears to serve up lots of showbiz RSS feeds - easy enough to do: I do it on some web sites of mine.

Now if you take a look at the lower section of that page, you'll see links to "Celebrity Profiles" which just happen to be Yuku profile pages (you know, the profile pages carrying adverts). Apparently, celebrities including Christina Aguilera, Nelly Furtado, George Clooney, Eva Longoria, Justin Timberlake, Clay Aiken, Cameron Diaz, Mischa Barton, Gwen Stefani, etc. have all made their own profiles on Yuku. Wow! I never knew they were so adept at doing their own pages! Or that they