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February 17, 2008

Yuku: KickApps Must Be So Proud

Well what a surprise!

Our closed ezboard was forcibly migrated to Yuku this weekend. And of course, weekends are when there's no technical support on Yuku or ezboard. Now given that I'm such an outspoken critic of ezboard/Yuku, you'd have thought they'd have been careful that the migration went smoothly, wouldn't you?

Well maybe if you were anyone other than Yuku with their technical ability and commercial awareness anyway.

The first thing you notice when you visit the board is that right there is a link to allow people to make payment to Yuku. That is despite our having closed the community chest when it was on ezboard, so it's clear that the settings weren't migrated like-for-like as they claim they should be. Either than or they're ensuring that every effort is made to make money off the newly imported boards despite the clear requirements of the board owners.

No problem: I'm an admin. of the board (and listed as such), so I'll log in and turn the contributions setting to off again.

Ah. No, I can't - as soon as I've logged in and return to the board, all I get is a completely blank page - no HTML or any code is loaded at all. Brilliant!

Wait! Maybe it's just me they continue to have their petty feud with. So I speak to the board owner. He logs in, migrates his profile and ... completely blank page!

Ah wait a minute: he upset them a bit once too. Never mind, one of the other admins can do it. So he migrates his account and logs in and ... completely blank page!

Way to go Yuku.

Oh and one other thing: I noticed that Yuku have renamed my account (and promptly banned it) like some kindergarten child would do if they were having a tantrum. I thought that KickApps were focussing on customer service? Apparently not: it seems like the Yuku staff are still the same bunch of also-ran hackers with the same petty agenda as they always were.

KickApps must be so proud of their new acquisition...

February 13, 2008

Yuku Sold: Confirmation at Last

Well then! Over two months after I revealed the news here, it's finally been announced that KickApps has bought Yuku/ezboard: it's their dirty little secret no longer!

The annoucement mentions this:

"As part of the merger, a new leadership team is in place with a renewed focus on innovation and customer service. Rob Labatt, ezboard's former CEO, has left to pursue other opportunities."

Well they couldn't have set the bar much lower in terms of customer service, could they? And funny how they mention the departure of Robert Labatt in the same section about improving customer service. I wonder if the two are by any chance related?

Still no mention of the sale on KickApps' own website but that San Francisco office address sounds awfully familiar...

December 11, 2007

ezboard/yuku Sold and Labatt Gone

Well, that's what appears to be the case, if the LinkedIn profile page of someone claiming to be Robert Labatt is to be believed. You will need to sign in or join LinkedIn to view this:

Current

  • Entrepreneurial self starter at Looking for my next great adventure


Past

  • President, CEO, Director at ezboard, Inc.

  • Consultant, Entrepreneur at Self

  • Research Director, Consumer Internet, Web Services



This part of his summary amused me:
"Most recently Mr. Labatt was CEO of ezboard, Inc. a profitable and growing network of consumer generated and white label enthusiast communities. During his over three year tenure at ezboard Mr. Labatt delivered the companies [sic] first profits, conceived and released the successful successor to the companies [sic] core community product and negotiated and sold the company to a strategic buyer."

Strange how he doesn't mention the loss of customer data whilst under his tenure. Nor the extended (and continuing) beta status of the software.

So who is the mystery buyer? Well if you recall back in September, I mentioned the rumour of a sale to Kickapps. Whether they are the buyer of course is another thing as their web site is silent on it.

Funnily enough, there's no mention of any of this on ezboard, Inc.'s web site or on yuku. I wonder if that's to calm the jitters about the move to the (still beta, still buggy, still un-priced, still ad. revenue selfish) yuku?

Of course, all of this could be wildly inaccurate so I wouldn't necessarily rely on any of it.

December 7, 2007

Those Forced ezboard Migrations...

For a while now, the staff over in the yuku help forums [sic] have been claiming that there are no forced migrations of ezboards over to yuku and that they have to be requested by board owners.

If you recall, I mentioned this back in September.

Now you should bear in mind that:


  1. ezboard, Inc. has yet to reveal pricing for ad. removal from yuku boards; and

  2. yuku is still in beta, which is the excuse they always trot out when somebody complains that something isn't working on yuku

  3. ezboard, Inc.'s Help Wiki still says "Do I have to switch to this next version of software? No, not unless you want to." and "Do I have to move my board to yuku.com domain? No, you do not have move to yuku.com."


Of course, being ezboard, it appears that the truth and the statements at item 3 above are mutually exclusive...

Or what about this?

"Will my ezboard forum be switched over without my consent?
No, boards will need to be switched by the admin. At this stage, they will not be switched over by our system if you do not initiate the switch."

So nothing to worry about then.

Oh dear. "ezdollar", presumably someone working for ezboard/yuku, writes:

"My understanding is that they are now migrating some small batches of boards without the owner's request, but, a few days before migration, those boards should display an Important Announcement at the top of the board, stating that it will soon migrate.

"If the developers had been able to write an upgrade for the ezboard program, it would have been sent out to all servers and no ezOp would have had any choice whatsoever about whether to use the new version or not or when to make the switch to the new version. The upgrade would have happened virtually (if not literally) overnight. This is really no different than a major ezboard upgrade, except that, in effect, ezOps have been able to choose to go to the new version early, and the upgrade is being done gradually instead of overnight.

"Migrating your account to Yuku has nothing to do with board migration.

"Having Gold or not having Gold has nothing to do with migration.

"As I keep saying... if you have issues with Yuku, you have to take them up with Yuku staff by posting at Yuku Support or opening a Yuku Help ticket. We may feel your pain, here, but we simply can't help you with most Yuku related issues here."


So that confirms that they are indeed moving boards without the owners' say-so. And it makes no difference if they're Gold - with no ads. - or non-Gold. I bet gold communities won't be very happy when they start showing ads. ... which is due to happen soon, no doubt, as they have recently confirmed they are finally working on yuku versions of gold communities and ezsupporter which should be ready for testing "within a month or two at the latest"...

So there you have it: forced migrations despite what they tell you elsewhere. Forced migrations from release code (if buggy) to beta code (very buggy and incomplete). What a way to treat your long-suffering customers!

Oh and still no word on whether they plan to actually share revenues with board owners as ezboard, Inc. CEO, Robert Labatt, promised. And where is Mr. Labatt? Incredibly silent, even for him...

November 15, 2007

Ya Snooze Ya Lose

Two years plus is a long time in Internet Time. When Yuku was launched as being "available now" in September 2005, its unique selling point appeared to be the way ezboard, Inc. were promising to share advertising revenues with message board owners.

In the presentation, ezboard, Inc. CEO "Silent Rob" Labatt is seen showing off the message board functions and user profiles that had been in development since early 2005.

Unfortunately for them, they've since wasted all of 2005, 2006 and now most of 2007.

The idea to combine message boards, user profiles, blogs and media hosting in one place was a good one even if not entirely original - most things on Yuku from ezboard, Inc. are ideas that someone else has had previously - as for instance WordPress can be extended with plug-ins and third party software to incorporate discussion forums, photo albums, etc. with the added benefit of an option to self-host the whole shebang and include advertising to generate a revenue stream as I do here.

In June 2005, Yuku was being touted by Labatt as the next generation of ezboard (although the name 'Yuku' had not been unveiled at that stage). Inexpicably, they concentrated not on ezboard migrations or getting the message boards ready for users. No, instead ezboard concentrated on the user profiles no doubt spurred on by the growth of MySpace and indeed Facebook. But by doing so, they dropped the ball and simply became Yet Another MySpace Wannabe even down to the evident similarities in their Terms of Use. Of course, extended beta tests are nothing new, c.f. Google's applications and services, but then they are not usually quite this long for such products.

So under the direction of Robert Labatt (and presumably with the backing of the venture capitalists led by his wife's firm), the development of Yuku has gone on and on and it's still in beta.

In the meantime, however, everyone else has moved on. vBulletin is a very accomplished message board application and one I use myself for three different discussion boards and it's far better in my opinion than Yuku is. And of course there's now vBulletin Blog to go with the board software. I've already mentioned WordPress and its plug-ins capability.

And now another major player has revealed online communities, blogs and social media in one place.

"Every member of your community can create a personalized profile page. Standard Profile pages include the following content:

"Personal profile information, such as a photo, interests, or location information
A list of comments submitted by that user and comment responses
A list of recommended posts, forums, and comments by that user
Forums, community blogs and a number of templates and skins."


All sound familiar?

Well this is Movable Type Community Solution from Six Apart, the company behind Movable Type and LiveJournal. But for once they've copied Yuku and not revealed pricing (you have to get a custom quote)!

So as time drags on and "Silent Rob" Labatt continues being elusive, maybe going for glider flights in Hawaii or going karting with the (small number of) staff, Yuku falls further and further behind the competition whilst not charging its users for the bandwidth and (reducing...) image storage.

August 22, 2007

ezboard, Inc. - Where's Our Money? (Redux)

http://wp.bluescrap.com/2007/07/04/ezboard-inc-wheres-our-money/

Well, within the last hour our community chest, which was finally restored at the end of July, has now disappeared again.

From an e-mail:

"After reviewing the transaction logs I have reasonably determined that the current balance now showing is correct. So, as of 7/24/07 your board has a $443.00 balance."

Not any more, it hasn't...

Oops! They Did It Again!

ezboard has managed to lose every single post from our Gold Community.

Way to go, ezboard! We'll get our "ezOp" to request a restoration from the "Weekly backups and free restores [to] protect [our] board".

We shall see...

August 3, 2007

Re-arranging Deckchairs on the Titanic

aka The ezboard Shuffle

It starts! Regular ezboard users will be aware of the ol' ezboard shuffle: people complain about the slow speed of their ezboard and it gets shifted to a different server until that server slows right down and then boards are moved again, etc. ad infinitum.

So I suppose that the news that they've started doing this on Yuku already - and remember, kids, it's still not finally released yet - should come as no surprise really. After all, they've been reeeeeaaaally slow over there for ages now, blaming users and indeed search engines for the treacle-like performance.

Hey ezboard! Here's a thought: how about getting some servers and more connectivity instead? Oh yes, that would mean spending money...

July 25, 2007

Disaster Recovery, ezboard Style

A fairly shocking discovery for anyone stupid enough to still be using ezboard would be the news that should their Gold Community go belly-up, their request for the backup - remember them? - to be used to restore it to its former glory might take longer than they might envisage and not go as smoothly as expected either.

Take a look at this message thread at the ezboard Help [sic] boards before ezboard, Inc. deletes it. On Monday, 9 July, one of the board admins. reports that a banned user has managed to hack their board and delete its contents. An ezboard Customer Services employee suggests opening a support ticket to request a restoral.

On Thursday, 12 July, another customer reports that they have done that but had heard nothing since. Another admin. also says:

"I'm worried about the restoral as well. It says that we'd be answered within one business day and we haven't heard from them. If nothing happens before Sunday are we out of luck because they back it up every Sunday? We just need some action fast before everything is lost and we don't know who to contact to see something done about it."

Later the same day, another admin. states:
"We have sent in a couple of restoral requests this week and have received no response. I would normally be patient and wait but to my understanding this is a time sensitive issue. Backups are deleted every 2 weeks. So if the backup done this last Sunday happened after the attack then we'll need the backup from the Sunday before which will be deleted this upcoming Sunday. I have thoroughly read the Restoral FAQ and according to it there is no reason that we should not be approved for a restoral. We were the victims of a malicious attack and we have proof that the person who did this was not any of the administrators but someone else.

"I don't know if this is the proper place for this but since the restoral requests aren't receiving any kind of response then we're at a lost. Even if you can tell me what kind of time frame it takes for ezboard to grant a restoral would help. Its just waiting with no word on what is going on is really hard especially with such a time sensitive issue. Please understand our stress here. We've lost 3 years of great memories and valuable writings and to just sit and wait with no idea of what is being done about it is hard to do."


On Sunday, 15 July a moderator from the board writes:
"...It's been almost a week, and we're well aware that the longer something takes, the less likely it is that we'll get any significant amount of data returned to us. This is FOUR YEARS worth of memories..."

Of course as it was a Sunday, we know already that ezboard staff aren't working, so it take until Monday, 16th before staff issue a holding reply.

Good news! On Thursday, 19th the ezboard staff report that the board has been restored! Except it hasn't:

"I think that ezboard waited to long to give us our restoral and they backed it up after our hack."

Oh dear! Never mind, just before locking the thread on Friday, 20th, the helpful ezboard staffer makes an implied reference to the forthcoming weekend (i.e. no-one working) when they say:
"Please let the techs know via the ticket that is open, exactly what is still missing. I'll keep an eye on the ticket and remind them on Monday to take another look.
There's not anything more that we can do from here, so I am going to close this topic."

So I suppose it's not that surprising that one of the admins. then starts another thread saying:
"Dear EzBoard Re: CHARMED'S DESIGNATION

"Your lack of professionalism, and compassion have cost us our board. We begged, we pleaded, we did everything but bribe you and now we lost over 1 million posts, and almost 4 years of archived talent and information that meant the world to over 500 people!

"We are actively looking at other boards, as ezboard has proved that they cannot be trusted nor can they be relied on.

"It's amazing you people can sleep at night. But, what do you care? As long as we pay our yearly Gold Community price, that's all we're good for.

"Thanks for nothing.

"Oh, and thanks for a LATE restoral which caused us to lose even MORE posts."


At last! Someone's waking up to smell the coffee!

The next day (21st July - a Saturday!), the same ezboard staffer writes:

"You shouldn't assume, yet, that you've lost your board. The person who needs to look into doing a further restoral has been ill. We regret that there has been a delay as a result, but when the only person who is capable of troubleshooting this problem is unavailable, there isn't much we can do but hope for your patience."

[Emphasis added]

Sheesh! So when ezboard, Inc. CEO Robert Labatt says back in September 2005 that they have 14,000,000 members and 500,000 communities, isn't it worrying that they have only one staff member who can sort things out?

That staff member, having returned to work, then posted on 23 July, some two weeks after the initial request, to say that he had restored their community from the correct backup.

Not wishing to gloat - oh alright then, wishing to gloat - with my 'self-hosted' message boards, I can choose from six daily backups to restore from should something happen to my message boards. And it's oh so easy for me to do that. Likewise if I didn't know how to set up and install phpBB, for instance, my hosts offer a one-click install and upgrade for it. How pleasant!

Look, I'll be good to anyone who feels stuck on ezboard or Yuku: why not go to DreamHost instead and sign up for what is basically an unlimited hosting plan (in real terms) with none of that 20 page maximum nonsense at ezboard.

And I'll tell you what: if you use the promotional code EZSAVE50 you can even get $50 off your first year's hosting. Go on! Give it a try!

July 4, 2007

ezboard, Inc. - Where's Our Money?

If you've ever read this, you'll know that one of the main issues I had with ezboard, Inc. was that despite us paying for a Gold Community that promised that "weekly backups and free restores protect your board" they never did protect our board, so that all the money in our Community Chest had been effectively paying just to have the adverts removed. Of course, given that many of us had paid for ezSupporter to keep the Gold renewal costs down, this was a moot point.

At the time when ezboard, Inc. lost a year's data from our ezboard, we had around $566 in our Community Chest. If I recall correctly, one member of our board managed to have their small donation credited to a different board after we made the decision that ezboard losing our data was the final straw in terms of staying there, so we launched our own self-hosted vBulletin board in June 2005.

Despite ezboard having failed to live up to their side of the bargain, they refused to refund the unspent Community Chest balance to us, so we decided that we would just close all the discussion threads and simply renew its Gold Community status every October until all the Community Chest balance had been spent, rather than letting it lapse and have them display adverts that might gain them new revenue. With the ezboard discussion threads closed and with our self-hosted board going from strength to strength, the number of page views fell to the extent that our annual renewals have been the minimum $54 and we renewed in October 2005 and October 2006.

Now, you do the maths: I reckon that c.$566 - (2x $54) = ~$450, so that's what we should have left in our Community Chest balance.

According to ezboard, Inc., however, the remaining balance we have is zero!

So not only does ezboard, Inc. refuse to refund us the money, but they now tell us there's no money to spend anyway!

The 'owner' or "ezOp" of the board has opened a support ticket with ezboard two days ago as ezboard prefer keeping their activities and mistakes out of public view, saying:

"Where is my ezboard money?

I had over $500 after the last renewal was done, the balance now shows £0

Has someone stolen the money?

Please reply as soon as possible!"


We'll see...

June 5, 2007

Two Years On...

Well I missed the second anniversary of The Great ezboard Disaster of 2005: the day when - depending on who or what you choose believe - a hacker managed to delete the current ezboard posts and at the same time access and delete the backups or someone running some script at ezboard on the boards cocked up royally. Despite claiming to have got the FBI involved and despite offering a $5,000 reward, no news as to any investigations or apprehension of the alleged hacker has ever been released. I leave you to draw your own conclusions.

So anyway, like I said, I missed the second anniversary which probably goes to prove that I am not obsessed with ezboard, Inc., contrary to what their representatives and ezApologists would have you believe.

Now, what have they accomplished in those two years?

You may recall that their CEO, Robert Labatt, chose his updates on the data loss to announce they were working on a brand new version of ezboard which they later chose to christen Yuku, presumably as the ezboard brand may have become tarnished irreparably.

Yuku was then launched as "available today" at DEMOfall 2005 in September of that year. The USP that was the focus of their "Better Than Free" strapline was that ezboard, Inc. were promising to share advertising revenues with board owners and that an “average large board” could make $3-$5,000 per month from being on Yuku. They were seeking to differentiate Yuku from the other products in the marketplace: sharing advertising revenues with board owners, backing up the boards on a regular basis and actively promoting those boards.

Of course, back in September 2005, Yuku was at alpha release stage: not even beta. Development of the ezboard platform had stopped in early 2005 and their focus was firmly on Yuku.

Labatt started posting regularly in his "CEO Blogs" on ezboard - using WordPress, obviously... - and then on Yuku. When it became apparent that all the target dates for the transition from ezboard to Yuku were as likely to be met as it was that weapons of mass destruction were present in Iraq, rather than actually making promises that ezboard, Inc. could meet, Labatt blamed "nastygrams" - presumably like this blog - for being mean and come 1 November 2006 simply stopped posting completely!

The date for Yuku being "ready for prime time" of late 2006 came and went with a whimper and now here we are with Yuku trying hard to beat Google's offerings in terms of the longest ever beta.

So where are we now?


  • There has been absolutely no mention of sharing advertising revenues with board owners.

  • There has been absolutely no mention of when board owners can backup their own boards themselves if they don't trust ezboard, Inc. to do it properly (and who could blame them?).

  • Yuku boards are currently free to operate and unlimited in size and display no adverts. Almost the exact opposite of ezboard, so why the faithful stay at ezboard and choose to pay for the privilege [sic] escapes me.

  • It's just as well they do, though, because the only revenue from Yuku comes from the Google Adwords displayed in the user profiles.

  • Big boards like the JJB Board that has been migrated over to Yuku are currently using up server space and no doubt bandwidth like there's no tomorrow (an inadvertent quip, but maybe apposite): their General Discussion forum alone runs to 1872 pages (and counting) of threads.

  • ezboard have stated that users and boards have unlimited storage space for images.


Combine those last two, and all those cheap servers that Labatt photographed and added to his blog (before it got removed as a source of constant embarrassment to them) will soon be full and creaking under the stress. Don't believe me? Well take a look at this:

"Some servers down. We're experiencing technical difficulties.


The technicals are being difficult. We're working on it! Everything will be up and running again shortly."

And this:

"Very Slow


The entire system is very slow to download for me today. It is not happening elsewhere- just Yuku."

Presumably this is so that former ezboard users will feel right at home...

Talking of which, one of the features they used to promote heavily was the 'global community' of ezboard. Personally, I never used to visit other ezboards unless by chance: I posted on our board and our board alone. I did, on the other hand, suffer from the global nature of usernames being used up: the one I wanted had been registered before I joined ezboard and despite it never being used for quite a few years, it was never available for re-registration. Now ezboard told people that all ezboard usernames would be reserved on Yuku so that JoeBloggs@ezboard wouldn't lose his username to some other JoeBloggs@Yuku. Which is all very well except that that simply means that in the absence of an abandoned username purge, the usernames available on Yuku are that much fewer.

ezboards used to have what they called "local accounts" so that you could join just one board and be JoeBloggs@ASingleBoard. Now that they've started the board imports, they've had to create another class of user and those usernames were getting unmanageable, breaking carefully laid out board styles, etc. So the Yuku team came up with a whole host of new indicators for different sorts of Yuku accounts. This has not gone down well and doesn't actually seem to be working properly either (no change there then)...

That aside, things must have improved generally with the better Yuku? Well no: their Customer Support [sic] is as bad as ever. We remember that despite being an Internet Services company, ezboard, Inc. seemed to only observe regular office hours, Monday to Friday. Well now it's worse than that: they don't seem to work Fridays either!

"Hey carrie we will try and jump on these quicker -- but you posted on friday :\"

So there we have it: Yuku still in beta, it's head honcho apparently now logging in - or being logged in by a colleague, present or former - but still remaining silent on what he once claimed was his third love. No sign of any hints about pricing, admin.-managed backups, costs, etc.

I'm truly amazed that they haven't gone out of business or at the very least sacked the man ultimately responsible for their being where they are presently, Robert Labatt.

May 7, 2007

Incoming!

{stands back to avoid the rush}

http://support.yuku.com/topic/1748/t/Ezboard-to-Yuku-board-migrations.html

So, according to "Michelle":

"The migration process is running very smoothly now ... and we're now able to move boards from ezboard to yuku in a very smooth process. The big backlog of boards is gone (having chipped away at them for the past few months) and now the queue is up to date."

So does that mean that there are now 500,000 ezboards at Yuku like they claimed as far back as September 2005?

Well ... no! Go to the Yuku domain search and marvel at the 6,200 or so apparent Yuku boards.

Ah ... wait a minute: aren't there a load of test forums, abandoned forums (you can't delete a Yuku board) and test ezboard to Yuku imports? Take a look at the third largest board by membership - "OARfans.com" - and then notice the two listed below (as of today's date). Yes, they're test and re-imported version of the same one. Now go to page 623 of the Yuku listings and what's that? Yes it's another OAR re-import. I haven't bothered checking for any others.

Maybe the explanation comes from Michelle herself:

"Of course, there are the occasional hiccups"

Ah yes. This is ezboard, after all.

Still, no doubt there'll now be a mass move over to Yuku. Unless people are still waiting patiently for its beta status to be changed to final. Or maybe they're waiting to hear about sharing advertising revenue as promised by Robert Labatt. Or maybe they're waiting to find out about backing up their message boards to their home PCs (as promised by...). Or maybe they're waiting to find out how much it's going to cost them to have no adverts.

Oh and talking of "Silent Rob", there's still no sign of their CEO on Yuku since 9 April. Has he gone? Yuku staffers seem to be side-stepping that question recently in this thread.

April 5, 2007

Counting Crows

You know how ezboard, Inc. makes a habit of crowing on and on about their claimed userbase? As they did when they claimed to have 14 million registered users on Yuku when it was at alpha stage in 2005 and user accounts were by invitation only. I made a post back in September on that subject.

Post counts on ezboard and Yuku are also important to the users and to ezboard, Inc. As far as some users are concerned, this gives them some sort of status on the network. As far as board Admins. are concerned, the number of posts on their boards is pivotal to attracting new members - no-one wants to join a board which is moribund - and for big boards, there are listings to be had elsewhere which could bring in revenue for them (if they were, say, sharing advertising revenues or able to run their own advertising campaigns or Google Ads on their own accounts).

Post counts on ezboard affect the cost of renewing ezboard Gold Community status too: we sometimes used to notice a hike in our page views (and hence our renewal costs) shortly before our renewals were due. It might have been nothing at all, but there were other reports of similar experiences.

So a bug in the board stats. over on Yuku has been a cause for concern. This may be fixed now, but I couldn't help but be drawn to this comment by a Yuku developer:

"I will be running a script today to fix more post counts. I also added a way to inflate post counts if need be. If your still having any count issues after today let me know." [emphasis added]

I can see that coming in very handy if, say, one wanted to impress potential advertisers...

April 4, 2007

April Shower

Well in the absence of any updates to "Silent Rob" Labatt's now-abandoned CEO Blogs on Yuku and - using WordPress - on ezboard, it seems that stealth announcements are the order of the day over on ezboard and Yuku still.

"Silent Rob" Labatt


So despite the continued silence from ezboard's CEO, Robert Labatt, for the last five months, he is - apparently - very busy according to this post on a user's Yuku board:
"I can't tell you 'where' he is right now, but he's certainly not dropped out of yuku! He's very busy and often out of the office."

Heck! He must be busy: too busy to post on his "third love", Yuku. Busy doing what, exactly? Ah yes, "thought leadership", probably... And out of the office a lot, no doubt pleading with new investors and trying to find advertisers!

Advertisements on Yuku


Now, if you recall, at the moment the only ads. being displayed on Yuku are in the user profiles. Indeed, they proudly proclaim that:
"Today yuku has these advantages:

* search the whole board, a single forum or within one topic
* addition of tags in topics and profiles
* cross domain searches using tags and keywords
* google friendly URLs and search engine optimized code (for example: search for the lobby or search for Alisons profile )
* add kudos (ratings) to boards and profiles
* no ads on boards"


Hmm.

Great use of the word 'today' there. How so? Well have a read of this reply from Yuku staffer alison:

"The plan is to have ALL features available for free with ads."

Ah! So there will be ads. on free Yuku boards then. And I bet that when they get their act together with both the coding and the advertisers themselves - all those unsubstantiated "14 million users" claims - the ads. they serve with be far more intrusive than the Google Ads ones they're currently displaying.

So having enticed users and board owners over to Yuku with the promise of free message boards with no adverts, it's going to come as a bit of a shock when - after all the hassle of having their ezboards and users migrated over to Yuku - they suddenly see adverts all over their Yuku boards, especially when no pricing for the ad. removal has been released by ezboard, Inc.

More sharp business practices? You decide...

ezboard Version 7.33


Oh dear. If you read my earlier post on this subject, you'll have read in awe about its "more stable code base that will result in more uptime and less downtime as well as faster reboots whenever a server is restarted". Except this is ezboard, remember, so it should come as no surprise to learn that:

"If I remember correctly, version 733 went out to a single server, as a test, but had to be rolled back for further tweaking because the changes in it caused something else to break. I believe it's still being worked on for future release."

More ezboard Data Loss?


My goodness but they're becoming proficient with losing data! After the great ezboard disaster of May and June 2005, it seems they're still losing data and still have appalling customer service [sic].

The sorry take is linked to from here:
http://p097.ezboard.com/fvortexjeopardyfrm13.showMessage?topicID=2.topic

And unsurprisingly given the loss of messages and the lack of support, they're closing their (paid-for) Gold board and have moved already to a self-hosted phpBB solution. I really can't blame them: it's the smart move.

More "Quality" Support [sic]


This is another great support thread:
http://p080.ezboard.com/fezboardfrm87.showMessage?topicID=8869.topic

During this awful thread - where it's clear that ezboard wants this user to just go away; how dare they complain?! - it emerges that all those millions of venture capital have resulted in a system that can't cope with the normal search engine spiders visiting the boards:

"As far as we know, the Bad Gateway error is caused by the Google robot crawling the server. It is not unusual to see it several times, then not see it again until the crawler returns. How long it crawls the server depends on how many searchable boards are on that server and how large they are. When it returns is strictly up to Google. ezboard has no control over the Googlebot's schedule."

So when the search engine 'bots are spidering your or anyone else's ezboard on a server, you will be unable to access it!

Bug Base Spammage


Yes, that wonderfully secure system over at ezboard keeps getting spammed. Look at any of the Bug Base Forums in the morning (GMT) and you'll see the latest spams from unregistered spammers. Pity there's no-one competent at ezboard who can restrict their posting...

March 30, 2007

Yuku Development "On Track" - O RLY?

Which track is that?

Well, despite the continued absence of "Silent Rob" Labatt, ezboard, Inc. CEO - or is he? - there are some strange goings-on over on Yuku and indeed ezboard.

We'll take ezboard first. If you take a look at the ezboard Wikipedia entry you'll see that the current version, version 7.32, was released two years ago and is widely acknowledged - by ezboard Customer Services [sic] droids as well - to be full of bugs. With Yuku launching in 2005, 2006, 2007, this week, next week, sometime, etc. it had previosuly been reported that ezboard would continue to run but would not be updated or bug-fixed. So how does that explain this? That link in turn links to one of the ezboard staff's Test Board and a post which says:

"Why a new version?
The primary reason for making the new 7.33 version was to compile the 150+ patches that we have made over the past two years into a new version of the software. This will result in more uptime and quicker restarts upon reboots becuse the application will no longer have to load all the patches upon a reboot.

We also made a few tweaks to the templates to make the user experince a little easier and enjoyable.

What's in version 7.33:
- More stable code base that will result in more uptime and less downtime as well as faster reboots whenever a server is restarted.
- Quick Reply Feature
- Rebuilt Invite Friends Feature
- Share This Thread Feature
- Yuku Icon Feature
- Last Comment Author now links to the users's profile
- Personal Photos (aka avatars) are now 100 X100 in size"


So there you go: a major wrap-up of over 150 bug fixes. But why bother updating ezboard when it's going to be closed? Who knows...

So alison on nehalf of Yuku/ezboard quickly chimes in to explain away the new version before coming up with the Quote of the Year so far:

"Yuku's development continues on track."

Oh really? Wasn't Yuku "available now" in September 2005. Or "ready for primetime" at various times during 2006?

Oh and we appear to have a new mission statement for ezboard, Inc.:

"No-one is forced to stick to a former statement just because they said it."

Clearly not, if it's ezboard, Inc. saying it. You know? Things like regular backups, advertising revenue sharing, etc.

February 27, 2007

Where's Waldo? Sorry, Labatt?

So after nearly four months of silence from "Silent" Rob Labatt, ezboard, Inc.'s CEO (or at least he was ezboard, Inc.'s CEO - I can't verify he's still there), there have been one or two changes.

The first changes were to his profile page with the disappearance of his Friends List. The significance of this is that in a MySpace-copying move, Labatt and others were added to all new Yuku accounts as a friend in the same was as Tom from MySpace. So the fact that Labatt's friends list apparently topped out at under 50,000 was significant when they were claiming 14 or was it 15 million members...

The next change was that his profile page also hid his latest posts as the fact he hadn't posted anywhere on his "third love" was a tad embarrassing.

But most significant of all is that his Yuku Blog - "What's Happening on Yuku" - has all but disappeared! Certainly all the content has gone.

And likewise his CEO Blog on ezboard is now simply redirects.

Maybe all those "ready for primetime" announcements and missed targets had become too much for his masters and he was becoming an embarrassment to them? Who knows? The mystery deepens.

In the meantime, ezboard appears to be hiding its lamentable history ... yet again.

February 8, 2007

"What's Happening on Yuku?"

The answer, of course, is "who knows?"

But there are a few more weird and wonderful things going on, according to one post by an ezboard/Yuku representative. In response to a post where a user mentions that "Silent" Rob Labatt is conspicuous by his absence, she writes:

"As for Rob's updates, well, what can I say? The lobby announcements forum is the place to get the latest news, and from time to time the developers forum might feature some snippets (although if they are relevant I'll repost them). No-one working on the system really has time to attend to a quality and continuing blog, and that includes Rob. It might have been a nice idea, but it didn't work out. I've been trying to get someone to update the FAQ page - its been out of date since the word blorums went out of use, and the links to report a bug are also out of date. But I don't think Rob's blog is linked from there any more."

The query from the user said, amongst other things, that "the lack of ongoing communication (i.e. where we are headed) makes the system and the company appear to be somewhat... directionless", which echoes what I've been writing here for a long while, i.e. that ezboard, Inc. and Yuku appear to be lacking in clear leadership and proactive management and indeed lacking in any direction whatsoever, chopping and changing tack regularly and missing by miles any targets and deadlines they do deign to publish.

Labatt's CEO Blog on ezboard is similarly silent since October 2006.

So let's look more at what the ezboard representative wrote. Now, "The Lobby" isn't actively linked from the main site-wide footers and is touted by Yuku as "a great place to find out about Yuku features and meet people". Not to find out what's happening on Yuku, which just happens to be the title of Labatt's Yuku forum. And if you visit the Lobby, you'll see that it's mostly filled with inane drivel from a small band of users, Yuku Groupies, if you like!

The Developer Blog is linked from all the footers, but is generally pretty quiet with no real announcements at all.

But it's this that got me:

"No-one working on the system really has time to attend to a quality and continuing blog, and that includes Rob."

What exactly does he do? 'Blue-sky thinking'? "Thought leadership"? And wasn't Yuku his "third love"? No, he appears to have no time to make a quick post either on ezboard or Yuku to let people know what's actually happening and when Yuku will be out of beta. Or anything else, for that matter.

So no updates on advertising revenue sharing, backups, pricing for Yuku, timescales, etc.

Oh and talking of backups, ezboard still seem to have 'issues' with them...

January 30, 2007

Trust Us, We're Yuku

I was looking at a query someone had submitted where they signed up to Yuku and claimed that their username was their full name.

They are clearly stupid because:

  1. Once you fill in your details, the system prompts you for a username, suggesting Firstname Lastname; and
  2. why would anyone want to sign up to Yuku in the first place?

Anyway, once you get past that, you are presented with a truly bizarre page which says:

“Sign Up Find friends already using Yuku!

Welcome to Yuku, {Username}!

Who’s here already? Some of your friends may already be members of Yuku. Find out who!
Use your address book if you’d like to check:

Yuku will NEVER store your login information for other websites.”

The page then has icons for Hotmail, GMail, Yahoo! Mail!, AOL and “Manual”.

Click on the GMail one, for instance, and it says:

“Find friends already using Yuku!

Check your Gmail contacts to see if friends and family are already signed up with Yuku! Just type your email address and password below and we’ll do all the work.

Please Note: Yuku will never save your password information. We will also never sell any email addresses we retrieve from your contact lists. Please review our privacy policy.”

So what they’re asking is for you to trust them with your GMail log-in details - which would also provide access to Google Adsense, Google Adwords, Google Video and many other Google services.

The privacy policy link is silent on this.

But surely you can rely on ezboard’s security? Well, they do admit that:

“Your information is stored on Yuku’s servers located in the United States. We use procedural and technical safeguards to protect your personal information against loss or theft as well as unauthorized access and disclosure to protect your privacy.

That being said, “perfect security” does not exist on the Internet. Unfortunately, no data transmission over the Internet can be guaranteed to be absolutely secure. As a result, while we strive to protect your personal information, Yuku cannot ensure or warrant the security of any information you transmit to us or from our online products or services, and you do so at your own risk. Once we receive your transmission, we make our best effort to ensure the security of your information on our systems.

Please note that we cannot guarantee the security of member account information. Unauthorized entry or use, hardware or software failure, and other factors may compromise the security of member information at any time. Therefore, although we use industry standard practices to protect your privacy, we do not promise, and you should not expect, that your personal information or private communications will always remain private.”

Well we all know about ezboard’s backups and how good they are.

So they’re now asking us to trust them if we sign up with them?

I don’t think so!

Oh and as an aside, my shiny new Yuku account told me I had a new personal message (or at least it would have if I knew what the little glowing arrow meant).

It starts:

“Welcome to Yuku! You’ve joined the ranks of over 15 million people united by communities with free image sharing and profiles.”

Wow! So there are over 15 million people on Yuku? Really?

Mind you, I can trust them not to lie to me, can’t I? I just did with all my Google details, after all.

And of course they obviously aren’t bundling in the ezboard claimed numbers because ezboards don’t have free image sharing, do they?

And wow! I already have 105 Kudos! And Brad Pitt is my friend too apparently!

And not once was I required to confirm my e-mail address to enable my profile. Not that anyone would ever abuse that by setting up spurious Yuku accounts, would they?

January 23, 2007

More MySpace Envy

You know, I’m becoming increasingly amazed at just how little original thought there is at Yuku/ezboard, Inc. and how much MySpace envy they have.

First, there was the are-they-by-any-chance-related Terms of Use changes on ezboard and Yuku to almost replicate word for word the MySpace ones.

Then there were the MySpace-clone user profile pages.

And now they’ve moved the blog element of what Yuku was supposed to be about to the user profiles … just like on MySpace.

Oh and the next time you’re over at MySpace, try commenting on a MySpace user’s blog entries. Oh look! They have “Kudos” too. I wonder where they got the idea for Yuku kudos from?

December 31, 2006

ezboard, Yuku and 2006

Well here we are at the end of 2006. Let's see what it's like for ezboard users now in such a momentous year.

Robert Labatt - no, not the Canadian gay porn star, the other Canadian one put in place to run ezboard, Inc. by his wife's firm, Labrador Ventures - started off mentioning this great new upgrade when in May 2005, under his leadership, ezboard managed to lose a year's worth of posts from our ezboard and countless others due to - they claimed - a hacker somehow deleting all the current data than managing to delete the so-called backups.

Then in September 2005 at DEMOfall, Labatt launched Yuku as being

"available today"

with

"more than 14 million registered users and 500,000 communities. Yuku is growing by more than 200,000 registered users and 6,000 communities a month."

Of course, that was completely misleading: Yuku was a closed alpha test at that time with just a few testers using it.

By 7 March 2006, Labatt decided to use his WordPress blog on ezboard to announce Yuku:

"Yuku is message boards, multiples profiles, avatar and image hosting and blogs - all in one place and available with one login."

OK, so Yuku is message boards, MySpace-like profiles (complete with MySpace-like T&Cs), limited avatar and image hosting, but not blogs any longer - that's if a regular message board with closed forums counts as a blog anyway.

He goes on:

"We anticipate that Yuku will be ready for prime time in late 2006."

Well you can't get much later in 2006 than today ... and Yuku's still not "ready for prime time".

He also wrote:

"During the next two months we will help you move your board over and build custom board skins."

That should have taken us to 7 May 2006. Of course, there are custom skins written by ezboard staff and punters and these have been re-written to cope with code revisions. So yes, the frippery is done ... ish. And just a handful of boards have been manually ported over to Yuku very recently.

"Later you can click a button and your board will automatically move to Yuku - archives, threads, members, banned users and all!"

"Later" appears to be "at some time way in the future" as it hasn't happened yet!

"In the next few weeks there will an easy to follow board migration process available in Yuku."

That's a pretty major failure then: "the next few weeks" having turned into "maybe during 2007".

In fact, Yuku is still way off being "read for prime time". The infamous "charisma" system - that turned into good and bad votes and is now "kudos" - is still mentioned in the FAQs, the Help Forum is a wiki system with no official support forum. And what of the following:

  1. "Board backup features directly available to admins";
  2. Advertising revenue sharing with board admins, this being the major feature pushed by Labatt in his DEMOfall presentation and the reason why Yuku was supposedly "better than free";
  3. Pricing for boards without Yuku advertising - bearing in mind that you can't add your own Google ads to your boards; and
  4. Pricing for the removal of advertising from your profile pages?

Who knows? Apparently not even the ezboard staff know these answers.

Mind you, if you want to know "what's happening on Yuku" you could always visit "Silent Rob" Labatt's Yuku board. Except he can't be bothered to update that with his last post being on 1 November 2006.

Pathetic, isn't it?

December 12, 2006

I think ezboard, Inc. love me...

...or at least some of their staff appear to, or so it seems.

How so? Well I've been banned from Yuku as I've mentioned before, or at least the test account I set up when I gave ezboard some beta feedback (when they were pretending to be interested in what the users thought) was banned.

Now as you may or may not know, you cannot set up a Yuku profile with the same name as an existing ezboard global account. The reasoning behind this is to allow ezboard users to be migrated across to Yuku so that their ezboard username will become their Yuku username.

So, have a look at my old ezboard account - they banned me from there when I started asking awkward questions as to why they hadn't been making proper backups of Gold Communities. Ignore for one moment their continuing libel.

Now let's have a look at the matching, reserved user account at Yuku:

  • Name: Richard H. Morris
  • Age: 36
  • Sex: Male
  • Status: Swinger
  • Orientation: Bi
  • Location: Norfolk UK
  • I'm here for: Not telling
  • That comes complete with an image of someone on a motorcycle.

    I'm flattered - it's good to be stalked (even if the details are a tad wrong). Someone on yuku clearly has a hard-on for me...

    November 24, 2006

    Walking the Plank, ezboard Style!

    With the glacial progress of development over at Yuku - they really should invest some money in some decent coders - members of the ezboard customer base are beginning to get edgy - those that haven't seen the light and jumped ship already, of course. Boards like the massive AskMen.com one that abandoned ezboard earlier this month (for a phpBB option).

    If you recall, nearly nine months ago Labatt proudly declared that:

    "Yuku is really coming along"

    and:

    "We anticipate that Yuku will be ready for prime time in late 2006"

    He went on to say that:

    "all boards will move to Yuku eventually. But NOT until Yuku is ready for prime time and it is proven to be easier to use, more stable, faster and better than ezboard"

    Of course, Labatt then went on to say that:

    "it is true that ezboard, Inc. will be shutting down ezboard.com. BUT, not until all of you have moved to Yuku. When is that? You’ll tell us by moving to Yuku. We are not going to turn off ezboard.com at the end of 2006. We will turn off ezboard.com when everyone has moved to Yuku."

    He then had to modify that once more:

    "No. You can’t keep your board on ezboard forever. Eventually all ezboards will be moved to Yuku, but you don’t have to move right now, or even very soon. There will be a cutoff date when all ezboards will be moved to Yuku, but we don’t know that exact date."

    Fast-forward to earlier this week and there's a posting in the ezSupporter forums - from where, in common with all the ezboard Help [sic] Forums, I'm banned by ezboard, Inc. - in which there's a reply to a concerned ezboard customer. In that thread, an ezboard staffer writes:

    "...You can stay on ezboard for as long as you choose, no one will be moved to Yuku by force. But at some point in the future there will come a time when all of the ezboards that are going to move have moved and they will shut down the remaining boards. I don't see this happening for quite a while. There are thousands and thousands of ezboards and it will take many months to move them all."

    Now let's just have a look at that again:

    "You can stay on ezboard for as long as you choose, no one will be moved to Yuku by force."

    Well that's great news for those people who like ezboard but loathe Yuku. Even if it contradicts (again) what Labatt says. But then she wrote:

    "But at some point in the future there will come a time when all of the ezboards that are going to move have moved and they will shut down the remaining boards."

    So let's get this right: you won't be forced to leave ezboard and move to Yuku but if you don't, your ezboard will be nuked! Excellent stuff!

    Just like walking the plank then: you're not forced to walk to the end and into the ocean, but if you don't, you're run through with a cutlass...

    November 4, 2006

    Confusion Reigns at Yuku

    So come on then, are you migrating ezboards to Yuku yet or not?

    There's another announcement over on the Lobby:

    "The board migration tool has been completed, and is ready to go. We're going to take it slow to start with, so that if there are any problems, we don't have a flood of boards with the same problem."

    This was posted on Friday afternoon. Maybe there's been no response, because alison saw fit to "bump" that topic this morning.

    Of course, given that this "announcement" was made in one of the chat forums on Yuku, that might explain things. After all, isn't that preaching to the converted (if misguided)?

    Surely the place to make an announcement about migrating ezboards would be ... ezboard? Well there's no official system-wide announcement and nothing in the help forums apart from another staffer saying:

    "Boards being migrated to Yuku is still down the road a bit, maybe by the end of the year."

    That was posted two days earlier, so the board migrations must have come as a bit of a surprise or something to them...

    It certainly is just more confusion and lack of communication between ezstaff. After all, no-one seemed to know they were ready to go until I reminded people of their own situation. No-one involved on the tech. side seemed to have told any support or other staff.

    November 2, 2006

    Sorry, what was that you promised, Rob?

    You know, when you promised that:

    "You should know that we have changed some of our processes to ensure that this type of outage will not occur again."

    Wasn't that earlier this week?

    So when one of your servers falls over, sorry, has unscheduled downtime I presume you're talking about a different form of outage. Or something. But tell me, don't your customers just experience their boards being unavailable? Thank goodness that fabulous new service, Yuku, is ready, eh? Kudos to you...

    {whispers} ezboard imports can start now

    Yes, hold on to your hats for the rush: ezboard, Inc. hasn't announced that they're ready for all the claimed 500,000 boards to migrate to Yuku:

    http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Yuku_Announces_ezboard_Imports_Can_Go_Ahead_Now

    That article, "Dugg" by me as no-one else at ezboard seems to want to announce it, links to http://www.yuku.com/feedback/viewitem/id/63 and reads:

    "As the URL is only accessible by logged-in Yuku users, it states that: "Importing ezboard communities is completed and we have moved communities successfully. If you want your community moved please contact the CS team from the help.yuku.com pages." No official announcement has been made nor is there a promised clickable link for one-c